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Nassau Notebook: McMahon Bashes NCPD's 'Wildly Lavish' Pay, 77 Burglary Arrests in 2012

A weekly look-in at the news of Nassau County.

McMahon: Police Contract a Key Obstacle to Recovery

On Wednesday, Newsday published an op-ed piece from E.J. McMahon of the Manhattan Institute's Empire Center for New York State Policy in which he said that "it was inevitable that the county's police contract would emerge as a key obstacle to recovery" as Nassau "stumbled back into fiscal crisis mode."

McMahon discussed several problems with the Nassau County Police Department (NCPD) including large salaries, generous pensions, vacation time, early retirement and "minimum manning" — the term applied to the requirement that all but two posts be filled during every shift in every police precinct.

From McMahon:

Unaffordable public employee union contracts are a problem all over New York. But the Nassau PBA contract is extraordinarily costly and inefficient, even absent the fabulously lucrative buyouts Nassau wants to give some veteran officers to go away. Median pay for Nassau officers as of 2011 was $150,000 -- 46 percent above the median for teachers, administrators and other professionals in Nassau school districts, who are among the best-paid K-12 educators in the country.

Jim Carver, President of the Nassau County Police Benevolent Association, said there's a higher cost of living on Long Island and the Nassau cops are paid comparable to other law enforcement departments across the Island.

As for the "fabulously lucrative buyouts," Carver said that the termination pay was approved by the Nassau Interim Finance Authority (NIFA).

"NIFA gave the county authority to borrow $80 million in termination pay over the next three years and this was just a way of speeding up retirements -- for those who were looking to go -- to save payroll by hiring younger, less expensive police officers," Carver told Patch.

Mangano, Dale Announce 77 Arrests for Burglary in 2012

Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano and Acting Police Commissioner Thomas Dale Thursday reported the arrest of 77 burglary-related individuals in the past 8 weeks, with 54 arrests related strictly to residential burglaries.  The arrest of eight individuals resulted in the closure of 34 burglary cases in 2012. According to police officials, a significant number of individuals arrested for home burglaries were addicted to or seeking prescription drugs.

According to Nassau County Police Chief of Department Steven Skrynecki, since 2010 when Mangano took office, statistics indicate that overall major crime is down approximately 10 percent. However, residential burglaries are up by less than 1 percent.

According to statistics from the NCPD, there were 225 burglaries in the first month of 2012, compared with 133 in the first month of 2011.

Nassau Taxpayer February 28, 2012 at 09:19 pm
Without immediate, fundamental and massive cuts to state, county and local expenditures (it's all fungible), economic resurgence is impossible. File the Chapter 9 NOW.
CarlCarl February 29, 2012 at 02:14 am
@ Frank, 2 minute response time might be pushing it. You must live in a village where that time is more accurate.
Joanna G February 29, 2012 at 12:47 pm
We need this in this country. We seem to have forgotten how to do and be innovative.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/nd5WGLWNllA?rel=0
Escape LI February 29, 2012 at 02:47 pm
Joanna, your video was very inspiring and you are right that Volkswagen is a very innovative company. It recently built a plant in the U.S. But it did not select Long Island as a place for it, like the old Grumman facilities.
No, it went somewhere where they have no state income tax, low electric rates, low property taxes, etc. http://www.volkswagengroupamerica.com/chattanooga/index.htm That is the problem Long Island faces and we are not doing anything about it.
Nassau Taxpayer February 29, 2012 at 02:51 pm
The scourge that is LIPA and its mismanagement ought to get greater attention. We have the lowest natgas costs in history, which will only continue with the growth in shale fracking, and we are still paying ever-higher surcharges for energy supply costs. What The Huh?
JP Ashcroft March 1, 2012 at 04:11 pm
One itme that needs revisoion or elimination is that 1974 law that allows for "binding arbitration". When at an impasse, the arbitrated looks over the border to the cross country rivals to see what they get. The arbitrator is usually "pro-cop" and more "anti-taxpayer", never taking into account the counties ability to pay. It's an insane process as we now have to "borrow" at God-knows-what-rate, and hope to pay it back. I really don't have any faith in any elected official to undo that mess. However we need to phone our elected officails to get down to work and have them see that this "leap-frog" method of awarding contracts is certain fiscal suicide. This law and all of those other "pro-union" laws were great helps at the turn of the century but things are completely different now and we have to change.
James Carver: Please don't tell us that the cost of living is higher on Long Island. One of the reasons it is, is that the Police Contract swallows more than 33% of the Nassau County Budget. The ability to pay these contracts as they are written is becoming increasely difficult.
JP Ashcroft March 1, 2012 at 04:15 pm
That should read " One item that needs revision"....... Followed by "The arbitrator"......."to the cross county"......
So sorry.......
Frank March 1, 2012 at 07:10 pm
@ Escape LI. Absolutely right! No company would move an operation here with the current tax levy and expensive utilities that Long Island has to offer. It would be financial suicide!
If I had the reins, I would have offered tax-free everything, guaranteed hydropower from Upstate through the Hempstead tie in, and loads of political support. Why? Using the VW example, we could have provided hundreds of great paying jobs to Nassau residents. Those incomes would trickle into local coffers and we’d be in the Black again. However, since we all want our pound of flesh; Unions, Municipalities, Grandma, on every deal, no company of significant means will ever come to the table. We are desperate. Nassau needs to bend over and cough or we'll never get out of this stinking hole.
Escape LI March 1, 2012 at 07:52 pm
Frank, the VW plant in Chattanooga hired 2000, but then there are the other jobs from suppliers that came into the area. Now Audi (a part of VW) is going to build a plant there. Four years ago Nissan moved its North American headquarters from California to just south of Nashville and it has a major manufacturing plant for autos and a plant for batteries for its all electric Leaf there now.
Robert Demarco March 1, 2012 at 08:27 pm
And BMW has a plant in South Carolina along I-85. As stated above, these places offer low taxes, low utilities, excellent transportation, and non-union labor. The entire community benefits from jobs that can support families, and the trickle down effect of local spending. Nassau has none of the above. Besides the economic savings, the unions would decend upon these plants and make the business model unworkable.
James Hayes March 1, 2012 at 09:34 pm
Fitch Rates Nassau Interim Finance Auth, NY $125MM 2008B Sales Tax Secured Var-Rate Bank Bonds at 'AAA'
SOUND COUNTY ECONOMIC POSITION Nassau County, located on Long Island just east of New York City, has a broad, diverse economy and well above-average economic indicators including high income levels (per capita personal income in 2009 was 160% of the nation's), well below-average unemployment (6.6% in December 2011), and high per capita market value ($189,368 as of 2009). A somewhat strained housing market is indicated by elevated foreclosure levels and stagnant average home prices. As a fully built-out county, new development has been limited, although some redevelopment is in the planning stages. The effects of the economic downturn were milder than in some areas; employment and home price declines have been relatively moderate and while sales tax revenue, the county's largest source of general government funding, declined in 2009 the drop was less than in many places and as indicated above appears to be recovering. ---------------------------------------------------------
Joanna G March 1, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Yup - which is why no one would recommend Chapter 9. Things ain't so bad here. We just need to get our act together and rework our union contracts to more sustainable retirement benefits. Hoping for big auto plants is unrealistic due to lack of open space or room for more housing and very poor transportation options. We would be better off trying to attract more computer companies and more tech companies.
Helen March 2, 2012 at 02:53 am
We can dance around all day and night on this subject. We need to do a lot of improving here - all of us - it's so easy to sit behind the keyboard and vent and worse, but how's about when it comes time to vote we actually do our research on the candidate and then really get off our computer chairs and vote. That's step one.
Step two - stop hitting the middle men/women for now - the union employees are untouchable. The arbitrators/politicians are where to hit first. As for all the police bashing - I could go on forever with all the comments above, but sticking with the well thought out posts - let's see - police are not 9-5 employees. They will pretty much miss all the holidays and special events in their families lives for a good amount of time - which is generally when their children are young and we all like to be around for. They do leave their happy homes every day not knowing what their job will bring them face to face with - not knowing if they will return and yes, while the risk of that is far less out here than NYC, it still exists - do you bring a gun to work every day "just in case"? Yes, their jobs are not running around through the streets shooting all the bad guys - yes, they generally have time on their hands and so what? They are there when we call - if you don't want to accept that - I pray you never need them.
Helen March 2, 2012 at 03:00 am
Someone mentioned having the best surgeon or your average surgeon...never mind asking for the worst surgeon available cause he's cheaper. Same goes for the police. Yes, our police are well paid and they have met criteria to be hired - NYC lowered the standards and the pay and do you know what they have been FORCED to hire? Tell you what, their starting salary is poor.
Another topic - yes, retire after 20 IF YOU WANT. It's not mandatory - it's a benefit. Yes, it is a great benefit - but I know that my job doesn't carry the same stress level as theirs. I'm not missing out on my family life - having to have my spouse take the kids here and there on holidays - missing their football games, etc. That does mean a lot. And yes, I'm sure there are many out there who will go off on this post - so be it - let's just stop bashing the easy target so we feel better - lets face the facts we're in a crater of crap and we need to find the way out. Start at the top of the mountain. Some of us have lived on LI all our lives some have MOVED HERE FOR THE BETTER LIFE - ie schools, safe neighborhoods, elbow room, whatever. We're all in this crater let's stop the bashing and help each other out. Yes, there's corruption everywhere and those who take advantage and that should be accounted for.....but that's in every business - and element of society. Admit it. Let's all get moving and work together here.
Robert Demarco March 2, 2012 at 12:06 pm
My problem is not with the police salaries. It is the pensions that are of greater concern. The basis for pension calculation should be years of service and base pay, not overtime. They will probably be retired for a longer period than their years on the job. I wish them all a long and healthy life and thank them for their service to the community, but we cannot afford these pensions any longer. Their has to be a reality check when negotiating these pension formulas.
RoBuSt! March 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I have tO disagree. They put there life on the life
& there pension is what they work for They contribute into their own pension therefore they are entitle to it. If u lower the salary, u lower the peNsion that can be a solution
Nassau Taxpayer March 2, 2012 at 01:05 pm
The NCPD problem has many dimensions: unnecessary number of officers and supervisors, salaries out of line high, pensions out of line high with low contributions, medical out of line high with low contrbiutions, gaming of pay and pensions, and generally poor operational and management practices with resulting poor value to citizens/taxpayers.
Joanna G March 2, 2012 at 01:45 pm
I agree that we can't throw out the baby with the bath water, but we also CANNOT afford the exorbitant pensions that our public employees are entitled to at this point. There are many occupations where the job holder cannot make family occasions - restaurant workers, entertainers, musicians, doctors, etc. Some are paid well, others not so well. The police on LI are paid very well. They are paid very well because they put their lives on the line for the rest of us. They are entitled to a decent pension as ALL of us should be. Anything beyond that should be the responsibility of the individual person NOT the government (which if you haven't figured it out yet is US - we the people!). Some people have been saying that we should do like Tennessee to attract new businesses such as car manufacturers. I looked up Tennessee's tax structure. They have one of the highest sales taxes in the country. They charge 5% tax on food and 8% on everything else. They do not tax salaries, but DO tax investment. They have gotten out of the worst of the recession, but they still have 8% unemployment. Sound familiar?
We cannot afford excess in ANY area whether pensions, or other aspects of government. We can't be the grasshopper, we need to be the ants (For those who don't know what I am talking about, Google it).
Robert Demarco March 2, 2012 at 01:59 pm
Every state has to raise money somehow. Income tax, sales tax, business taxes. In NY, we use all of the above. The big difference in Tennessee is the lack of unions. Costs are reasonable, and that keeps salaries lower, or vice versa. There is a balance, and the public employees down there do not drain the taxpayers. I have family in NC, and an elementary school teacher in their district earns about $48K per year. My niece and nephew weent through the system there, and went on to UNC Chapel Hill. The education they received in Hickory, NC was at least as good, if not better, than that received by my kids on LI. Their property taxes are $2k for a very nice house. The taxes are lower because the cost of public services are reasonable, and those services are high quality.
Peter Catania March 2, 2012 at 02:02 pm
Long Islands Clock is Ticking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u58FPkmejoc&feature=player_embedded
Nassau Taxpayer March 2, 2012 at 02:07 pm
Buzzer went off twenty years ago. Gulotta hit the snooze button -- over and over -- then knocked the clock off the table.
Joanna G March 2, 2012 at 02:11 pm
I agree. And I'm sure that the price of homes is half the cost as well...and you probably get twice the house and twice the land also. We, on the other hand, live in the shadow of one of the largest and most dynamic cities in the world and land values are out of sight as they are in southern California for different reasons. Consequently salaries are larger, benefits are larger etc. It's all relative.
Robert Demarco March 2, 2012 at 02:15 pm
Agreed. And I much prefer to live in the shadow of NYC than the shadow of Charlotte. But that does not give the politicians and the unions the right to gauge the taxpayer and bankrupt the County. The unions would not be so powerful if the politicians had any guts.
Joanna G March 2, 2012 at 03:52 pm
I totally agree. Moderation in all things leads to a healthy happy life. The question then is how can we reverse the excesses perpetuated by the collusion of our politicians with the unions? Can we change the way contracts are created? Can we change the use of arbitrators that favor the unions? Can we change the operational and management practices and make them more efficient? What can we actually DO?
Escape LI March 2, 2012 at 04:06 pm
The problem is that Long Island has already passed the tipping point.
See The Clock is Still Ticking http://vimeo.com/18956280
Helen March 2, 2012 at 04:19 pm
I don't know what we can do for sure, but I do know that we have to do something and that includes vote. Let's forget what IS on LI on look to change things. We've got quite the mess here on LI and we keep burying our heads in the overpriced land and hope someday when we reemerge all will be sunny. Isn't gonna happen, nor is change overnight or in the near future, but we can put our voices together and work on it......
An tUasal Airgead March 2, 2012 at 04:36 pm
These are the people that everyone should be venting about & to. These are the people responsible for the mess we are in, along with US, for ALLOWING them to get away with it !!!
STOP THE PAY TO PLAY !!! It's not the Cops. It's not the Teachers. It's not the working people. It's the sleazebags we sent to represent us! Elected Town Officials http://toh.li/council-members http://www.northhempstead.com/content/7350/default.aspx http://oysterbaytown.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={42B6E716-ADFC-4CE4-820F-0D2C929AB158} Nassau County Elected Officials http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/Legis/index.html NYS Assembly & Senate http://assembly.state.ny.us/ http://www.nysenate.gov/
Moe March 2, 2012 at 07:56 pm
Helen I have actually enjoyed reading your posts. You take the time to think about the actual issues with what seems to be a fair and unbiased eye. You do not resort to name calling and negativity, it is refreshing to see. I would hope that you are in a job position where you have the opportunity to influence things, it seems you would be good at it. Voting is important but unfortunately you have to have someone to vote for. It usually comes down to the lesser of two evils, because let's face it, most politicians have an agenda, one way or the other. The entire system is flawed. The system was never designed for career politicians, it was designed for citizens to serve their fellow citizens and then go back to their real jobs. Now that politics is a career, and a well paid one at that, people will do whatever they have to to hang onto their livelihood. Everyone talks about police pensions not being fair, take a look at what Senators get for one year on the job, even if they never get elected again. Is this current system fixable? I'm not one to throw my hands up and quit but it is seeming insurmountable. The system, top to bottom, needs a complete overhaul. Like someone else said, it's not the working man that's the problem, it's the system. Hope we come up with some answers soon. In the meantime, Helen, please run for office.
Helen March 2, 2012 at 08:12 pm
Moe, thank you for your kind words. I try to remain unbiased and calm among the calamity. Run for office? That's a compliment, but not my forte. I have always had a 'way with words' and again, thank you. This whole forum is for us to share and learn, not inflame or slander.
You said it correctly - we are forced to chose two between two evils - who each have an agenda. However; by starting this rallying whisper perhaps we can turn it into a rally cry in the future and put those in charge on notice. Yes, the system is flawed, but not unfixable in the long run - if we all just ran away and hid a few hundred years ago this country wouldn't be standing - it's time to fix our mess - period. Moe, thanks again! You made my day.
tommy February 10, 2013 at 08:46 pm
hey robust are you talking about NCPD? they do not contribute into the pension fund. it is all on the TAXPAYERS. they should get a pension, but not as much as they do. PERIOD

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I have two comments: If you want to contact the Village, contact Mayor Francis X. Murray. I don'tRead More know what block you live on. But on my block, the leaf blowers are DAILY and at ANY time of day. It is horrible noise pollution.
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John June 16, 2013 at 07:12 pm
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