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POLICE: RVC Woman Fires Shot, Holds Teen at Gunpoint

Bernadette Greenwald, 47, of Rockville Centre was arrested and charged with menacing.

 

A Rockville Centre woman lost her cool after becoming the victim of what appeared to be a prank late Sunday night, firing off a revolver in front of her home and holding a teenage boy at gunpoint because she thought he was involved, police said.

According to Nassau County Police, Bernadette Greenwald, 47, of RVC, was at her home on North Forest Avenue on Sunday night when she heard her doorbell ring around 11:15 p.m. When Greenwald opened the door, no one was there.

Twice more Greenwald heard her doorbell ring, only to open the door and find no one there. That's when Greenwald became fed up. Police said she got a .9mm and fired a round outside of her home.

A short time later, police said a 17-year-old was walking in front of Greenwald's home, and she stopped and pointed her gun at the teen. Greenwald allegedly held the teenager until police came, where after an investigation, she was the one placed under arrest.

Greenwald is charged with second-degree menacing, second-degree reckless endangerment and prohibited use of a dangerous weapon. She was arraigned on Monday in First District Court in Hempstead

Related Topics: Rockville Centre, Rockville Centre Patch, bernadette greenwald, rockville centre police, and rvc

Angry RVC Resident

11:37 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I think all charges should be dropped in this case,its a legal handgun and she was protecting her family,criminals ring and run for home invasions and then when u go to door and look nonone is there so you open the door and look around and they force their way into home.She is innocent,maybe is the rockville centre police patrolled more these things would not happen,every weekend in RVC hundreds of teenagers walk around drinking beer and causing chaos and noise and destroying peoples property,Maybe the police should pick these kids up for loitering every weekend and arrest them.These kids are out of control,little rich kids who think they can do whatever they want,This town makes me sick.

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LeeAnne Paesano

3:43 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Boy Angry RVC Resident you are angry!! Just so you know, this is happening in most towns and even ones where the kids aren't (as you call it) rich. You don't have to be RICH to drink, cause chaos and noise. And if the town is making you so sick why don't you leave? It's really that simple.

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Peter Scarinzi

4:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Ok, first of all, the RVCPD are ALWAYS out on patrol and to be honest, there is A LOT more that goes on in this village than most of the residents even know about. As far as the gun is concerned, the minute she walked over the threshold of her residence and detained who she THOUGHT was the person that was doing the "ring and run", all bets were off. Do the SMART thing, call the police and let THEM investigate what is going on. Once you cross that threshold and you start chasing or confronting people, you are now out of line and DESERVE to be arrested!

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Christopher King

5:46 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I agree Angry many kids wonder around town drunk and bother residents and the police do nothing about it. This Summer after my father lost his wife of 50 years some drunk kids came and broke our family bench on which each and every one of our family photos were taken. The police came buy and said most likely it was drunk teens. My dad pays high taxes and so do the rest of RVC residents its about time these drunk teens are placed under arrest.

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Eamon

6:35 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I agreee with Angry and I have to say to Mr. Scarinzi, the police are not always on patrol as you say......unless you consider the rec center parking lot and the alley behind the building as being on patrol. I got a similar answer this summer when I called the police after my car was broken into in my driveway. After I told the police man where I lived he say " Oh yea we got a lot of calls from that area with cars broken into. This group has been going around for a few weeks breaking into cars. Its probably just some teenagers." He did not send a car to my house, take a report, etc. He said it was not necessary. I also called the police a few years ago on neighbors who lived below me and were trying to kill each other in their apartment. They were beating each other bad enough to knock things of my wall 1 flight up. When I called the police they said they would send someone. I waited 45 minutes and made one more phone call. No officer ever showed up. SO if she did call the police they would have told her it was no big deal and probably would not show up.

Marcus

11:43 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Now THIS is an attorney that I would hire! Everything was in order, the gun was registered, and this was a PERSISTANT Harrassment/threat. She was home alone with her 2 kids. We should be selling t-shirts that say "Go ahead- ring my bell and see what happens". This is someone who I would want as my attorney, my neighbor, and even my babysitter. Bernadette is my hero! (Plus her mugshot looks FANTASTIC!)

Eddie

11:43 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Obviously, she possessed the gun legally, as some 50,000 Nassau residents do. While the press release makes her sound reckless, we don't hear her side of the story. But we do know one thing. Her family was kept safe, unlike many Nassau residents, she didn't have to fear a pack of home invading mutants. Nobody will ever mess with her again. I wonder what she has to say.

Marcus

11:48 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

By the way, how is SHE charged with menacing...? She's an upstanding tax paying employed, professional person protecting her own home with a legally registered weapon, and she's home alone with her 2 kids and it's near midnight with strangers keeping on coming up to her house. I HATE it when the news skews the headlines so that you click on the story, worried more about clicks than an accurate portrayal of events. SHAME on the Rockville Center Patch (or whatever this paper is) for leading with " Rockville woman lost her cool" and pushing "becoming victim" farther on into the lead sentence to make the story more interesting. SHAME.

Frank

12:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I agree. crucifying Bernadette for protecting her home and family is SHAMEFUL. Where's the common sense? i bet if it was a RVC PD officer's home, this type of conduct would've been a non-issue.

In light of all the recent home invasions, I don't fault Bernadette at all. She is a gutsy lady and that is what we should be extolling.

Remember George Grier of uniondale, who in 2010 used his rifle to stop a MS-13 home invasion? Gangbangers threatened to kill his family and children. he fired the rifle. and he's the one that got arrested.

Time to wake up NY. You don't persecute law abiding home owners who are protecting life and property.

Bernadette and George should be role models for everyone on LI. in Texas, they would've had a parade for their exploits.

Eamon

3:04 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

i agree that the arrest of this woman is totally out of line but in NYS it is illegal to fire a gun outside of your house even if it is on your property. In NYS it is only legal to shoot a gun on your property if there is someone who is unlawfully INSIDE your residence and that intruder can only be shot below the waist. so the RVCPD and NCPD both acted in an appropriate manner.

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Frank

3:16 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

What a stupid law. What until someone is unlawfully INSIDE your residence and then shoot below the waist? honestly who comes up with this nonsense!

In George's case, there were 20 gangbangers trying to gain entry into his home. What was he supposed to do? open the front door, invite them to tea, and then shoot them all in the knee caps?

We all understand the police simply enforce the law, regardless how inappropriate it may be.

That law should be rewritten for the people that live in this reality.

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John Carway

3:31 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Eamon, Where do you get the "Below the waist" thing? Article 35 of the NYS Penal Law authorizes a defense to the use of deadly physical force in defense of yourself or another. It says nothing about above or below the waist. Also, lets get the facts straight. This story said nothing about where the shots were fired. It said only that it was outside her house. Was it into the ground or up in the air? who knows Bottom line is that you just can't go firing your weapon as a 'warning".. The story also said nothing about whether the teen she allegedly held at gunpoint was involved in the harassment or not. It just said that he walked past her house. That is scant justification in my view.

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Bryan Korman

4:38 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Eamon, let me clarify the law for you. First, it is illegal to shoot your gun on your property for things like target shooting, but certainly not illegal for you to have it on you for your protection. However it is not legal to present your gun for any reason other than to protect yourself from an imminent, life threatening situation. That is the law. According to the report she stopped a random, 17 yr old kid and pointed her gun at him without any evidence that he did anything.That is not an imminent, life threatening situation. And finally, who ever told you that you can only shoot a person below the waist? That is ridiculous. If you are going to shoot a person who broke into your home with the intention of causing you or your family harm you DO NOT shoot them in the leg. You shoot to kill him. A limping and bleeding intruder can still (and will) kill you, especially if you just pissed him off by shooting him in the leg.

John

3:04 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

this woman recklessy discharged her gun on her front lawn, SHE FIRED HER 9MM GUN, at a 17yr old boy she SUSPECTED had rang her doorbell!!! This in a neighborhood where there are many young children. Is that what we do now to children who ring and run, we subdue them at gunpoint after firing a warning shot across their bow?!?!? GOD forbid the bullet had gone astray and actually injured someone, I wonder how many of you would be championing her actions then!!! And to be clear, she was not alone with her 2 young children, her husband was there as well, and he helped subdue the innocent 17yr old....throw the book at this woman.

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Frank

3:22 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ John. why don't you post a sign on your front lawn that states "24/7 ring and run pranksters welcome here".

And to be blunt, they had no idea what was happening. At 11:15pm on a Sunday, who do you expect ringing your door! She's an attorney whose line of work can be dangerous to her personal self and family. it could've been a stalker.

She, like many in RVC, are fed up with the lawlessness and took matters into her own hands. Good for you Bernadette.

AND She was provoked. none of this would have happened if the pranksters did not harass her family.

If you jab a rattlesnake with a stick and you get bitten in the hand, then rattlesnake is guilty because it has poisonous fangs and didn't bite below the belt? Afraid not.

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LeeAnne Paesano

3:34 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Amen John!! I couldn't have said it better. This woman was a reckless action on her part. We have a police dept.!! Call them.

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Jaybee

3:37 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Then don't answer the door Frank. Obviously she was angry, not fearful. This woman gives legitimate, law abiding gun owners a bad name. Completely reckless

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John

3:42 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

FRANK - You are so ignorant it's scary. She fired her gun to ward off someone playing a childish prank on her, a prank that children have been pulling for the past 50yrs at least!! There were plenty of teenagers running around amped up on Sunday night after the Giants had just won, and although that may be a nuisance to some, it is NO EXCUSE to discharge your firearm in frustration!!! She acted with reckless abandon, and she should own up to it an pay the consequences. As for the lawlessness in RVC, lets not get carried away Frank, we are not walking the streets of Tombstone AZ, and you are not Wyatt Earp. Lets just say that I have read some of your posts on the patch before, and if this gun was discharged in "another part of our town", you would be screaming from the mountain tops for justice to be served....

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Frank

4:37 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ John. You are the one that is ignorant. Home invasions are on the rise in our area. What if it was a stalker doing the pranking, would that have been different? What if it was one of her disgruntled clients?

Maybe Bernadette called the police several times... Maybe they didn't find anyone pranking... and it continued.

She was provoked.

As for the other part of town, thugs fire their weapons without provocation and I never seen you complain about that. But let's crucify Bernadette.

common sense

3:12 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I get that people all around us are angry but come on all!! She DID NOT fire at anyone threatening her home.She fired a random shot in the air that could have landed anywhere, including the bedroom of a sleeping neighbor or that of a neighbors child for heavens sake. She WAS NOT protecting her home when she fired off that round. She did it out of pure frustration, She had no evidence the kid had anything to do with the ring and run stuff and certainly had no right to hold an innocent kid at gunpoint. The gun may be legal, it's use was not. She will lose her license for the gun and rightly so. True, there are too many kids roaming the street in this town and the cops do too little to tamp down unruly teenagers. Nonetheless, residents firing haphazard warning shots in the air doesn't solve the problem. Doing so only makes matters worse!

Joan

3:16 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I can not believe I live in a town where people think it is perfectly ok to fire a gun in the air. What if the wayward bullet hit an innocent person? Do we even know if the kid she held at gunpoint is even the person who rang her doorbell? I have an idea, if you are so frightened by the ringing doorbell, pick up the phone and call the police from inside your locked house. What's next, shooting the paper boy because her newspaper was delivered wet. Give me a break!

common sense

3:27 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

So now we equate our own silly kids playing ring and run with gang memebers invading homes?? Calm down for crying out loud. The law Eamon describes is, in some ways, non sensical. But that law is not at issue here. Lets try to see this as what it is. A woman who lost her temper and put others in danger and then , (along with her husband?), physically accosted an innocent 17 year old. Had it been my 17 year old to whom that happened Bernadette would have had company in that squad car!!!

Jaybee

3:28 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

People like this give legitimate gun owners a bad name. A permit doesn't give you this right. This is completely reckless and if it were my son she held a gun to, she'd pray for the cops to arrest her

Jennifer

3:44 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

everyone against the teen should be ashamed of yourselves... there is no reason that a 47 year-old mother should be holding a minor under a gun... thank you john and joan you are very wise!! you all have something to say let me know because you honestly do NOT know the whole story

Jaybee

3:49 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Frank, it's obvious you aren't the dumbest man in Rockville Centre, but when Marcus moves out you may have a shot at the title

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Frank

5:37 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ Jaybee, Oh no, a lame Double entendre, how will i ever recover?

Frank

3:53 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ common sense. Give me a break. There are shootings all the time in OMC, firing guns without provocation every which way and I have yet to see one single resident in that part of town stand up and persecute their "neighbors".

This educated person was provoked at her home at an unreasonable hour. She had cause to be pissed, frustrated, the whole nine. Yeah, it was wrong to fire the gun into the air. @ the ground would've been a better choice. That comes with training and experience.

@ John. As for the comment, "her husband was home". How misogynistic of you. A woman can't protect her family? it has to be a male only endeavor.

Moreover, for the record, that deadly home invasion in CT had the whole family, including the husband, subdued by two men. Having a man around did not change that outcome. In addition, I'm sure the outcome would have been different if the mother was armed. She would've sprayed lead everywhere to protect her children.

No one in this town gives a toss about anything. Even our mayor skips town on "business" just to avoid RVC.

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John

4:04 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Frank - Can you read? More importantly, can you interpret? My comment about her husband being home was in direct response to Marcus posting that she was "home alone with her 2 kids"...it was strictly clarification.....you are a sad sad man to even bring up the home invasion in CT. Shame on you...

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common sense

4:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

What in tarnation are you talking about? Had the cops been confronted with evidence of a justifiable discharge of the weapon no arrest would have been made. Rather, the opposite occurred. They had evidence of an illegal use of the weapon. The ringing and running pissed her off, she couldn't find the culprits who may have still been lurking about so she fired her weapon in a reckless and wanton way trying to scare them off all the while placing others, not just the ringers and runners,, but her own neighbors and presumably her and her familiy's friends in danger. She would have gotten away wih it too but to make matters worse she decides she can hold a minor at gunpoint? And you condone this? For all you rantings about the OMC, it seems you are actually OK with the very behavior you so consistently rail against. It just depends on who is doing it, right?

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Jennifer

4:08 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

ok sure frank give you a break your pro- NUT... sorry but your wrong she held a gun to a 17 year-old (A MINOR) and you definitely do not know the story whatsoever and if you really dont believe joan, john, jaybee, and all other people on this site that are RIGHT about this situation maybe you should stop and go ask her what really happend.. thanks!!

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Frank

5:07 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ jennifer, Jaybee.

We have a crime problem in RVC if you even care to read patch. There are burglaries all the time. Bernadette was provoked. Her actions may be illegal, but her intentions were not.

Maybe every parent in town should tell their kid to stop the ring and run stuff or there may be consequences.

As for my rantings about the OMC, they address the constant lawlessness perpetuated by gangbangers that threatens this town.

So @ common sense, yes, It does depends on who is doing it. I have a problem with drug dealing thugs and gangbangers doing the shooting, without provocation.

I am OK with Bernadette and George Grier for they were provoked at their respective residences. And, they are not gangbangers or drug dealing thugs, but regular home owners.

@ John. Shame on you for your ignorance. Home invasions are on the rise in our area. Three in the past month. The CT home invasion is a lesson learned to all. Err on the side of caution and don't wait to be a victim.

I bet if it was your home, you'd be up in arms, regardless of the circumstances.

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John

5:15 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I guess that answers my question, Frank cannot read. If he could, he would have read my post at 4:49pm, stating that for all intents and purposes it WAS my family's house you moron. AND that I am well aware of the home invasions, and this was not even in the same ballpark.....scroll up the page and ask someone to read my 4:49 post to you Archie Bunker...You are on the WRONG side of this argument Frank, bottom line. I venture to guess that it will be a short while before we all read about you attacking some innocent person on your property, paperboy, solicitor, whoever it may be that irks Frank, and his excuse will be that Home Invasion are on the rise.....

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Jaybee

5:30 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Frank, you make me ashamed to be an American. This wasn't a deadly home invasion it was a kid playing a prank. Even if she had the right kid, she is completely in the wrong. Legally and mentally. You are so outside of your mind crazy to think chasing kids with a 9mm has anything to do with a "crime problem in RVC". This woman is a danger to people in this town, not a hero. Had someone entered her home and she perceived a danger to her or her family, I'd be the first to say she has the right to use her gun and protect them. This isn't what happened here.

danielle centofranchi

4:02 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I think the concern with the woman was the fact that she fired a round of .9mm bullets in front of her home in a residential, typically quiet, area. Then assumed that a random person walking in front of her house was part of the alleged prank and essentially held him hostage at gun point until police came. I think the smarter thing to do, for Bernadette, would have been to call the cops and inform them that she was being "harassed" at 11PM at night on a Sunday and leave the consequences up to the authorities. General rule of thumb to protect yourself from house invasions, don't answer the door, and call the police. Taking matters into our own hands as civilians is typically when things go wrong... hence her being arrested on menacing charges. And, to address this point as well, the police heard her side of the story, and they were the ones who chose to arrest her, so clearly it either didn't add up or she was as irate and irrational as she sounds from this story. The End.

John

4:15 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I think the real question here is how many times, if at all, did this tax payer call the RVC Police department, and what action did they take when this woman was being harassed? This is a quality of life offense that needlessly went too far in the obvious absence of police protection.

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common sense

4:19 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Excellent question but not so sure that there was an absence of police protection or that it was needed, If she called and they did not respond then some fault lies with RVCPD. But if she did not call (perhaps because she did not percieve an actual threat) then there is no absence of police protection.

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John

4:20 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

John, the "obvious absence of police protection"? Would you lobby to increase our PD (and taxes) to 100, 500, 1000 officers so that they may cover every street in RVC to provide protection against teenagers wandering the streets pulling pranks? This is what kids do, weve all been there and done that.

Jaybee

4:32 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

No sane gun owner holds anyone at gunpoint anyway. Anyone with any training will tell you that. First of all, you may be charged with a myriad of felonies from brandishing to kidnapping. Secondly, the person you're "holding" can sue you for violating their civil rights. Depending on the state, you may be in a lot of hot water. Having this happen outside of your home is a huge no-no. Third, and perhaps most important, holding someone at gunpoint puts you in extreme danger! Remember that a detained person has a big incentive to leave before the police arrive. If you aren't willing to kill someone right then and there, your chances are bleak. A violent person will have an easier time disarming you at close range than you think.

LeeAnne Paesano

4:35 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Did anyone read this article???? She went out of her home and fired her gun because someone was ringing and running!! Then some kid walks down the street and she holds him at gunpoint?? Doesn't she seem mentally unstable or what??? There is more to this woman than we know!!

Bryan Korman

4:43 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Eamon, let me clarify the law for you. First, it is illegal to shoot your gun on your property for things like target shooting, but certainly not illegal for you to have it on you for your protection. However it is not legal to present your gun for any reason other than to protect yourself from an imminent, life threatening situation. That is the law. According to the report she stopped a random, 17 yr old kid and pointed her gun at him without any evidence that he did anything.That is not an imminent, life threatening situation. And finally, who ever told you that you can only shoot a person below the waist? That is ridiculous. If you are going to shoot a person who broke into your home with the intention of causing you or your family harm you DO NOT shoot them in the leg. You shoot to kill him. A limping and bleeding intruder can still (and will) kill you, especially if you just pissed him off by shooting him in the leg.

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Kevin O'Reilly

8:50 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

It sure took Jamie Lee Curtis a while to figure that out in the Halloween Movies!

Frank

5:14 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ John. Instead of having an armada of squad cars, How about telling kids to stop harassing homeowners? do not provoke your neighbors? Stop drinking and loitering in the streets? Or dumping bottles and cans at elementary schools? or stealing cellphones?

Maybe parents should start parenting and knock some sense into their kids... including the 17 yr olds.

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John

5:19 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Idiot. Children have doing these exact things for years and years, thats what they do, they drink, they loiter, they harrass, their young and dumb. doesnt mean you can hold them hostage at gunpoint you fool. I know you are probably 90yrs old, and have forgotten what life used to be like, but this is how it is, and has always been. has nothing to do with today's parenting.....get a clue.

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Jaybee

5:32 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Maybe someone should hold your internet service at gunpoint.

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Frank

5:41 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

You're the idiot. Bernadette may have been wrong, but that does not excuse the behavior of the teens that did the pranking.

I guess you're one of those absentee parents I read about in Readers Digest.

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Frank

5:42 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ Jaybee. Don't worry, congress is already working on that very point.

John

5:20 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I'll reserve future comments until it is known as to whether or not she or anyone in her home called the RVC PD with a complaint. As for the childish comment made by the person who bears my name regarding if I would endorse a tax increase to increase the number of police officers, I say this is what we pay our PD to do in the 1st place. When a taxpayer calls, particularly on a street that has been recently burglarized, after 11PM, by a woman, you send a patrol car period. You also assume the "pranks" are being conducted by teens being teens. You don't know that for sure which is why we have and pay for police protection.

Frank

5:31 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ Bernadette. Hope you get off with a slap on the wrist. Once you do, lesson learned: do not fire your weapon unless it is within the confines of your home and under duress. Let's hope it never gets to that stage.

And add a security system with night-vision cameras so you can identify who is harassing your family and forward the images to the PD.

common sense

5:34 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@Frank: An absolutely astonishing thing to say. You clearly know Bernadette and want to defend her. I get it. But to give her right because the "gangbangers" you refer to do the same thing is preposterous. Worse yet, you justify her acts by equating ring and run with "provocation". Is that where you draw the line or can she shoot kids when their basketball goes on her lawn, or when they ride a bike or skateboard by her house or maybe she shoots her neighbor when soap suds run down her curb when a car is being washed? Do you not see the absurdity of what it is you suggest? I feel bad for her neioighbor John (above) whose post makes clear that something is amiss on that block. If you, Frank, get your way next time someone has a cookout in the summer and the nite goes long they better make sure
all the guests are packin' I'm out!!

Sally LaLane

5:42 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Wow. I cannot imagine that anyone would think her actions are normal. Especially anyone who has a family. The LAST person I would want as an attorney would be someone who is as over-reactive and as irresponsible as this woman. If it was MY child she was subduing with a loaded firearm, I would sue her gun-happy rear end.

Sally LaLane

5:44 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Honestly, You guys must be really good friends to come on here at the first sight of a posting and sing her praises. She sounds like a loon, and as far as her mugshot, the cosmetic surgery isn't fooling anyone.

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That RVC guy

6:46 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

All class, Sally, commenting on her physical appearance. She is still a local mother with kids in our schools.
Obviously this is a very emotional issue. I trust that the police conducted an investigation and the arrest was justified; She will pay the price.

What I do find disturbing is this dismissal of the behaviour of the juveniles in our community as "pranks". What the kids here did, whether it was the 17 year old she stopped or unapprehended others...was Harrassment 2nd degree, according to the NY Penal law. Look it up. And do many here realize.... burglars often ring the bell first?

When you add in being protective of her young kids, the late hour and the fact that N Forest has been featured in quite a few police blotter stories lately, I can almost understand her frustration, though I cant candone her reaction. Unfortunately, In my experience, calling the police is not the first reaction of many law-abiding, self sufficient people. They feel like they would be bothering the cops with a minor complaint, and they wade into unchartered territory under emotional duress.

On the flip side, I have seen outraged, self important parents in this town call the police on homeowners who confronted their kids for harassing them with repeated ring and run "pranks".

Thankfully no one was hurt.

Frank

6:26 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ john. You never liked Bernadette to begin with for reasons I won't divulge.

Shreen bell

6:26 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Theres two sides to every story.. Yes, She's a law abiding citizen, professional, tax payer, mother of two and an attorney at that. She probably got reaaaally frustrated and couldnt take the pranking from these kids n lost it.. I don't want to judge her even though her actions were utterly
unsafe and illegal.

Frank

6:30 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ common sense. Maybe I do know Bernadette.

the incident occurred at 11:15pm on a Sunday. Maybe bernadette thought most teens would be home at that hour, getting ready for class in the morning. Maybe her mind pointed to a possible crime in progress. Again, hard to tell friend from foe at night.

As for defending one over the other, Bernadette is no drug dealing gangbanger.

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common sense

10:57 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

A crime in progress? Is that why she didn't call the cops? She took matters into her own hands? Who is she Dirty Bernadette? Unless I misunderstand she did not shoot at any alleged perpretrator of any crime in progress, She shot at nothing. She shot into thin air in the dead of nite when she could not see anything. And did so out of anger and frustration. Her behavior is as juvenile and immature and reckless as that of the kids. Can't tell friend from foe at nite? Stop! Her neighbors now now which of the two she is, if they didn't know already. She may not be a drug dealing gangbanger. She may be worse because she acts the same way but hides behind the comfort of her upper middle class neigborhood and profession (of which she will no longer be a a part if this turns into a felony conviction!)

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Frank

12:00 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

@ common sense.

I for one hope Bernadette will survive the media onslaught and Nassau County Courts. The circumstances of her reasoning will be on record for all to see soon enough. Stop crucifying this person for one bad decision.

She's managed to make enough good decisions in her life to have a home in RVC (with its huge tax burden), raise a family, and career.

As for the supposed teen pranksters, parents have strict or vicarious liability of their children under 18 yrs of age, which in the US includes parental negligence (e.g. failure to supervise your child).

I would start issuing summons to those parents.

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common sense

12:51 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

@Frank
I for one have not crucified her. She did what she did. I have merely responded to your defense of her, which in my opinion is completely meritless. It seems to me it is you have crucified the kids and their parents and the community at large and even the "other" community in town. She did wrong. She will pay a price.I get that she's your friend and I get that this is hard on her and those who care for her but after a full day of all this back and forth ,by now you must see that she is in the wrong ( and i think you do based on your softer tone) and that even if the kids are also wrong, the kids bad behavior does not , in any way, justify her actions.

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common sense

2:39 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

and now newsday reports that she told the pollice the 17 year old was inside her home when she pulled out the gun. the cops tell newsday that's not true. so there was no threat when she used the gun. lying to the cops when they show up certainly doesn't help her credibility

Jason Bennet Dubin

6:41 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

The parents who buy the beer should be held accountable i think all the charges should be dropped god bless you bernadette i could care less about teens and were they hang out but when they piss on your car well that's just wrong!

JC

7:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@John - your comment that teens are being teens by being destructive doesn't bode well with me. After my house, property and cars had been vandalized we installed cameras. I had to do my own police work using FB, team pictures, and friends to help identify the vandals. These kids were underage, stickin' drunk, foul mouthed and destructive. So they continued the destruction even after the cameras were installed. We were able to identify a couple of them and then they threw the others under the bus. We decided to speak with parents after speaking with the police. Some parents were mortified by their children's behaviour while others would blame it on the other kids in the group and were completely uncooperative. Most of these boys participated in sports and some had pending scholarships. The way we got everyone on the same page was to threaten to go to the school with the videos and get them thrown off their teams. But quite honestly, this took my time, money and energy. This behaviour goes on around this town every weekend, the community is frustrated and something DOES need to be done about.

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Marc

12:11 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Sorry to chime in so late. JC, but if you read the entire thread, the "kids will be kids" theme is a pervasive one. I see that is as a pretty good indication these kinds of problems will never go away anywhere.

Marc

7:26 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Question: What if that kid had been shot for this prank? What do you have to say about that: Aww, gee..sorry?

HUH?

Frank: gangbangers at OMC are certainly a bit different than teen pranksters.

C'mon...as little common sense.

That being said, it DOES seem there is a bit of an uptick in local crime. I blame the ecomomy and those respopnsible for turning it around.

Carol Brady

7:34 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Rockville Centre is the third busiest department in Nassau County. They are under staffed, severely under budgeted. With OMC & Molloy building new dorms, as well as The train wreck Avalon Bay being built its only going to get worse. It's really not fair in this situation to bash the police. Everyone has their own story.....of what may have happened...but it's important to feel safe in your own home and know you are protected

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Kevin O'Reilly

8:57 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Move RVCPD to 2-3 OMC Houses. Better to be closer to your key clients!

Carol Brady

8:22 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Btw...all the RVCPD bashers should have been there today when RVCPD locked up a double homicide perp from Florida with the US Marshalls.
OMC and Section 8 loads of fun to patrol....the gift that keeps on giving...

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Marc

8:37 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

" ....the gift that keeps on giving..." thats my line...LOL

BTW...blame the parents. Its more that ring and run and you all know it. The kids in this town (alot like others) are spoiled, sheltered and coddled by mommy and daddy.
I was told a story by a local official that a kid was arrested for urinating under the Bulson bridge and the mother accused the police of harassing HIM! Unreal. I was on the block when the police broke up and underage partry and called parents. As I stood WELL within earshot I heard not ONE parent offer any form of "Sorry, Officer, we'll take care of this at home, don't worry." Probably lawyered up already to get their college bound angel's record expunged.

The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity”

Terrible....

That being said Greenwald's behavior is STILL inexcusable....

Clarkey Mick

8:27 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Now I know it was a Sunday night but it was the night the Giants won a trip to the SuperBowl. The bars were mobbed. Read the Herald and look at how many robberies, larcenies, assaults, burglaries, criminal mishiefs, etc there are every week not to mention appearance tickets issued for public urination, public consumption of alcohol. Add also the OMC crime wave. The police, 4 of them, are responding to everything I've just mentioned plus things not mentioned; bar fights, accidents, medical aideds, psychos, etc. If you expect our police to be on Forest Ave you've got another think coming. It seems the PD only leaves the business area for overnight parking enforcement! This woman, if she truly felt threatened, should have called 911, gotten her handgun, made sure all doors & windows were locked, and went upstairs to an open window and watched & listened. For her to venture outside and fire off a warning shot is reckless. For her to see a person walking buy and then stopping him without being able to identify him as one of the perpertrators is insane. The police have training for these exact scenarios. And they've probably done it 1,000 times. Even if the response time was 15 minutes who cares? Just hunker down and wait it out. It was pranking. Even if it was a setup for a home invasion, stay on the line with 911. There was no excuse for what this woman did. She endagered this teen & all her neighbors. Let the professionals handle it. It's never worth it to get involved yourself.

Chris

9:54 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ Frank. kids have been doing this for all their life, their not mature enough to understand that its very childish. what did you do when you were a little kid. i guess you forgot that you most likely did stupid things like ring and runs. stop being an old fart and wake up and give them a break, once they hit puberty theyll understand its wrong just like mature adults

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Marc

10:16 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

But Chris....then they "hit puberty" and start carrying 12 packs around town, dumping empty beer bottels on my lawn and pi**ing on my fence.Then what? "Ah, geez, give them a break, they're just college kids."
Granted ring and run does not warrant a warning shot in the head, but don't be naive enought to think it stops there. I doesn't. I pray I never have to deal with that.

I was a kid, now I'm an old art, but we NEVER behaved like these kids do today. We were taught respect for people and their property. Look around at our society. Look at the swagger in these kids' step. Check out Manhattan. Look at the attitude of youngert, mature adults. Disgraceful. But that is not the point of this article.

“It is easy, when you are young, to believe that what you desire is no less than what you deserve, to assume that if you want something badly enough, it is your God-given right to have it.”
― Jon Krakauer, Into the Wild

Andy

10:00 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Agreed Chris. Some immature kids did it, it's not like no one has not done that. NO ones perfect, the fact that @frank is ranting about it (also some other patch members) is ridiculous. They're teenagers, they do stupid things. It's nothing new.

Dave Kloven

10:15 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@everyone - we are blessed to live in a town with its own police force.. ask your neighbors in s hemp, baldwin, east roc etc.. rvc has 3-5 cars ready to go at all times.. nassau 1 car baldwin/ so hemp - 2 cars cover oceanside/e rock.. I have never heard of a slow response time from our pd.. kids are a problem all over.. BLAME THE PARENTS ! or just understand , you were once young and stupid too... as far as this mother shooting a gun, its a dumb move that could have had worse consequences... have respect for the fact she has children that should not have to sufer for her stupidity.... as far as OMC... someone please talk to avalon bay, molloy or whoever.. tell them to buy it and lets get rid of this crime infested area... maybe if OMC was somehing else, rvcpd could concentrate on other crimes that effect our residential areas....

Chris

10:16 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

When everyone was a kid they did stupid things they regret and talk about it now and laugh about it about how stupid it was. @ Frank unless you had a bad childhood growing up and didnt experience teenager classic stupidity you know what im talking about. for marcs comment, being spoiled and rich has nothing to do with it. go to any other town and youll find yourself in the same situation or even worse. kids will always be kids. their brains dont function like mature adults yet so there going to slip up if you like it or not

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Marc

10:25 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I never used the word "rich." Spoiled and coddled is not the same as "rich." AND...I said,ind addition, "much like ant other town (or something like that)." I qualified that remark.
Why do you equate spoiled or coddled with "rich?"

We all dis syupid things, yes, but not all of us has a disregard for others. Don't know about you, but my parent and the parent of the kis I grew up with would have killed us for the things many here consider innocent pranks.

We never smashed pumkins. We never egged. We never travelled with cans of shaving cream.

You know, last year I was walking the dog (NOT on Halloween) and had a buch of ewggs thrown at me from a car (lousy aim...they all missed. Must have skipped science and knew nothing about velocity.) A prank, Chris? Methinks not.

Andy

10:23 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Once again Chris, nailed it. Whatever town you're in kids are always either drinking or creating mischief. It's not exactly a habit, but teenagers aren't exactly mature and don't have careers to worry about. They just wanna try to have fun is all, and letting your kids go out and adventure a bit isn't the worst thing to do.

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Marc

10:34 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

And therin lies the problem. I don't consider being confronted by a pack of drunk teens carrying a 12 pock on a mid-semmer's eve "fun." Do you really? Perhaps you've never seen it in RVC. Parallel universe?

Will it be and adventure when you pick your kid up from the police? Will it be an adventure when they get scraped off of Village Ave?

Look...I don't advoate a nite summer's nite of skee-ball with Richie and Potsie as a great time, butr we've livberalize our tolerance way too much.

I hope I never liove to see the day.

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That RVC guy

10:48 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Andy said- "letting your kids go out and adventure a bit isn't the worst thing to do."

When adventure means harassing a woman home alone with her kids...its... the worst thing to do, Andy.

Granted, this woman screwed up...out of fear, anger...we dont know.

I bet both.

But if it was my kid involved with this, I would kick his arse, no questions.

Rockville Centre is filled with competitive eejit adults that view a knock on their kids behaviour.... like a foul in basketball. They react with aggression.

Yes it happens elsewhere, but we are supposed to be the ones that know how to handle it when it does; Ignoring it, rationalizing it and excusing it...is not the way.

All of out kids will enter a stage when they are schmucks, no doubt. Do we excuse it? Shoot the messenger?

Chris

10:31 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

still going to stick with kids will always be kids, of course some will be worse then others, everyone had the one friend that would be the "bad ass" in the group and would do stupid things like throwing pumpkins and etc. if you havnt experienced this as a kid and all of your friends were great and never did anything wrong ill then assume you did nothing as a child and had no fun with your life.

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Marc

10:39 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

VERY interesting comment. Perhaps there is a larger generational gap between us then we presume. We never considered any of the above "fun." Nor did our parents. But rest assured, we led a very rich, fulfilling and fun childhood. We just didn't have an ounce of disrespect in us.Perhaps just not in a way you are not aware of or were exposed to. I might see that as a pity, mucha the same as you are seeing it. We just didn't have an ounce of disrespect in us. Shame that's considered "fun" now. To each his own...

Chris

10:46 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

"our parents" are parents, they of course would never let us and be ashamed of us if we did mischeif. they are here to grow us up right and teach us right from wrong yet im sure they did stupid things in the past that they wouldnt want their kids doing. parents are meant to set an example to their kids thats whats parents are for. i do agree that people dont respect peoples property and etc comparing to back in the day. iits according to where you grew up and generations changing

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Marc

10:50 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

On this we agree. To prove my poiunt please see our new friend "Smokey
McPotts" above...

Marc

10:49 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I am flatterd to receive such an erudite comment from wht I hope is not a fellow resident.

Chris

10:51 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@smokey im with marc on that one, what type of comment was that? get help!

Chris

10:56 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

how immature is this person? grow up and get out of here what are you 12?

Marc

10:56 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

LOL....see you on the train tomorrow.

Andy

11:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I don't think he commutes on the train. Just a feeling. Anyway "Marc", your childhood obviously didn't contain as much fun as anyone elses. Point is, parents allow their kids to do this stuff so they learn a lesson. So if you think they're letting them do what they do cause they don't care, trust me, they care.

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Marc

11:13 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Sort of like letting them touch a hot stove? Not my idea of learning a lesson.

"ANYONE'S?"

What was your idea of fun, anyway? Killing squirrels in the park? You're stretching here. I don't know the crowd you ran with, but perhaps we were raised with different values and concepts of "fun." It is what it is. No sense in beating a dead horse.

Marc

11:16 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

ANYWAY....this story just ran on Channel 4. Aren't we proud?

Andy

11:21 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

If anything your childhood sounds like a dead horse

Shooting squirrels is immature and the rest is clearly none of your business. I will say however, that my teenage years were fantastic.

I don't know what crowd you ran with, but it sound like you were what we would consider an "indoor child".

Marc

11:23 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

In any event, I give up (dead horse and all that)...I hope your life continues to be fun and fulfilling. Really.

Frank

9:09 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Wow. We got a bonafide OMC prodigy on the board. My do they just liven a conversation.

Best protect ya neck Smokey. you might wet yourself.

Frank

9:16 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

@ RVC. It's time parents step up and parent.

Teach "respect your neighbor".

N Smokey, Big Worm gonna wet you up with a mouth like that. You're the poster child for pro choice.

Holla back at the dog pound that the new new jack city is gonna get raided... Again...

@ anthony bottan. I thought colorful language is prohibited? Smokey is lighting it up!

Dave Kloven

9:53 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

did earl change his name to smokey... its unbelievable that people like this enjoy freedom...

Marc

9:55 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Where is Anthony Bolton? Sitting next to Smokey?

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Anthony Bottan

10:21 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

I just saw all these nasty comments by Smokey (work meeting this morning) and they are deleted. I apologize for not seeing it earlier, and i can assure you, that will be the last we hear of Smokey. Thanks to everyone else for keeping this thread FAIRLY clean and respectful.

Chris

2:31 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

You have no right to fire a weapon when there is no direct threat or immanent danger to you. That being said regardless how legal her possession of the gun was, there was no need to fire a shot. The alleged teen that was outside her house when she happened to detain him was not on her property. The sidewalks are public not private so keep your private life inside and if you do not like what goes on in the public pick yourself up and move to a place where you can be private.

LeeAnne Paesano

3:13 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Has anyone read the newsday today?? Now whacko went into atty. mode by saying he was in her home, the 17 y.o. didn't believe it was a real gun and that's why she fired the gun and now her husband wasn't home and he just so happen returned home at that time and now he wrestled him to the ground!! I think she got her story together from all our comments!!! What kind of message is she sending to her kids?? LIE to whomever and whatever as long as it gets you out of the situation. Good parenting. If that 17 yo was in her house do u really believe the police wouldn't have arrested him??? Please!!

Andy

4:06 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Well she is an attorney.. (known to make false allegations?..)

Ellen

5:24 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

This story is a lot of things but self defense is not one of them. There was no threat there - she was mad and not scared. It appears that she is trying very hard to shift the blame - if that kid is an innocent passerby she is already laying the ground work for her defense in a whopping suit that could be coming from his family. She was reckless and put many people in addition to that kid in danger.
And for those of you who think that ringing and running is a "prank". It might be at 6:30 at night and you do it to your friends. At 11:30 at night it is not only disrespectful and inconsiderate but dangerous. She could have come right at the kids with a gun. What if the residents were sick, elderly or had infants? What if they are people who get up early to go to work? You need to think about the boundaries of fun that you are teaching your kids. Yes, for ever kids will be kids but they shouldn't be taught that their fun is at other people's expense. I hope those kids see the chain of events that their behaviour caused and that they are identified and held accountable.

LeeAnne Paesano

5:34 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

When all said and done it all comes down to how this woman reacted to this. All she had to do is call the police, lock her doors and let them take care of this. She put the law in hands and now let's see how she will be held accountable.

Brendan

5:50 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Regardless of the details, this woman held a gun to an inncent 17 year old kid and deserved to be arrested. However, kids in this town for the most part, are spoiled, selfish, and dont understand or think about any consequences. At house parties, these kid's idea of fun is to break and steal anything they can find. On mondays, the halls at school are filled with talk of kids bragging or luaghing about who stole or broke the most at a house party over the weekend, its disgusting and pathetic. There's nothing wrong with a group of kids goin out and havin a few beers with friends, but these idiots from rvc just dont know how to act responsible at all. In my opinion, its becuase these kids were brought up lacking responsabilities and being handed everything to them by mommy and daddy. Its this issue of Irrisponsible kids who are sheltered from the real world by their parents, that cuased this incodent and many others.

Eugene Clark

8:22 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

First of all, my name is " Mickey Clark ", and NOT "Clarkey Mick", as was posted in this "opinion section" previously in referance to the shooting on Forest Ave.. Somebody I am sure was using a spin off of my real name which is often found in the "Letters to the Editor" section of the RVC Patch, the RVC Herald, NEWSDAY, or the NY Post. While "imitation is considered some form of flattery", I suppose, it would be much more flattering if the writer would echo my real sentiments on the matter, clean up their sentance structure and know a tad about the subject of which they opinionate, none of which resembles any of my attributes.I do chide "The Patch" for not having a policy of verification of opinion writers similar to what the other Newspapers and Publications have, lest other opinions in the "Patch" may be attributed to myself or others by "innuendo" and not fact.

Mickey Clark

Eugene Clark

9:05 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

My (Real) opinion on the shooting on Forest Ave, this past week is simple. The woman who fired the warning shot, should not have done so. In spite of her fears for herself and family, anyone with a firearm must realize that a bullet fired from a gun must strike something that is in the direction the barrrel was pointed. Even if the gun was fired in the air, it must drop to the ground someware. So there is extreme danger in unleashing a shot from a gun in a dense residential community such as RVC. The woman was clearly wrong logically and legally. As an attorney she should have known this and acted accordingly by calling the RVC Police immediately. For those criticising the RVC Police, they are way out of line. In my experience the RVC Police respond as promptly as possible to every cal they receive. We must however understand that our Police Department is understaffed and that any respite to correct that situation anytime soon is unfortunately defined by the lack of funds available. . .
I don't believe the woman who fired the shot should be prosecuted or penalized, however, She should be required to attend, at her expense a NRA approved handgun course that would teach her among other things, "How to think logically in a perceived threatening situation.".

Mickey Clark

Eugene Clark

9:21 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

With crime on the uprise and imminent civil unrest a very real consideration between now and November 2012, you can rest assured that whatever laws regarding guns, mob rule, and rioting is concerned will be similar to the "Wild West". Personally I believe it's time that the public realize the dangers that will be upon us and demand that they be allowed MORE access to legal home defense weapons. it's also time that Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy retires from her quest to disarm all Americans and let a pro seconed amendment, and Constitutionalist Congressman replace her and face up to the very real truth that we all face a very dangerous future.

rvc parent

11:50 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Cudos to the real Mickey Clark..You are right on. There is too much bashing in every direction on this thread. The RVC PD do a great job. They could use a little more politeness when they answer the desk phone or greet you in the station. But when a person calls they think their problem is the most important. The fact is the RVCPD have to prioritize their calls and believe it or not might have a life threatening situation (remember they respond when you call for a ambulance and a fire) at the same time as your call is received.
The lady in question is at fault for recklessness and endangerment. However she is a mother of 2 children, and for the husband and childrens sake that must be respected. Somewhere in the middle of the stories lies the truth. Only those there will know what really happened. Most importantly is that no one was physically injured. If the 17 y/o boy was a innocent passerby then I include him when I say, SADLY the children of the household were definately immotionately injured,victims
The internet is great everyone can give an opinon and hide behind the enter button. Regardless of the statement, factual, hurtful, or just pure rumor. All one can hope is that if you are ever placed in a situation that you did not cause, you remember to act rationally and not escalate the situation. Because the world will annyonomously be blogging away "monday morning quarterbacking" this decision.
Is this why bullying is killing our kids?

Eugene Clark

4:51 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

I have a distinct feeling that after all that is said and done, and the Police have concluded their investigations into the "shooting" on Forest Avenue. We might all have egg on our faces and get a big chuckle concerning the actual facts in the case. Let's wait and see.

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That RVC guy

10:24 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Mickey, there are young kids in that house...in our schools.

I cant see any outcome that would give me a real chuckle.

Hope I'm wrong.

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Anthony Bottan

9:30 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

Kevin. You are incorrect. His name is Jeff GREENFIELD, and has nothing to do with this, or Ms. Greenwald for that matter.

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